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InsurTalks Podcast with Dr. Robin Kiera: Nurturing Sales in the Global Shutdown

9 minutes, 45 seconds read

Today, we are facing a crisis unlike ever before. The outbreak of COVID-19 has shaken the very foundation of the world economy. Social distancing and lockdowns have disrupted supply chains and international trade. 

We are seeing an unprecedented surge in lay-offs since the last economic recession in 2008. Amongst other industries that have been affected, Insurance and InsurTech are also finding it difficult to deal with the crisis. To get deeper insights on the new strategy for Insurance Sales, we interviewed Dr. Robin Kiera, founder of  Digitalscouting and renowned Insurtech & Fintech Influencer.

Digitalscouting is a platform with over 70,000 followers for thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and senior managers in finance and insurance to share best practices, lessons learned, and up-to-date views on tech and business trends around the world. 

Dr. Robin is a Co-author of The InsurTECH Book which offers essential updates, critical thinking, and actionable insight globally from startups, incumbents, investors, tech companies, advisors, and other partners in this evolving ecosystem, in one volume. He also advises and mentors many start-ups and corporations in various industries. His other areas of expertise include Brand & Marketing, Public Relations, Business, and Management. 

Connect with Dr. Robin Keira- LinkedIn

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Excerpt from the interview-

Impact of COVID-19 on Insurance in Europe

Europe’s Insurance markets are facing a severe crisis? How are carriers, agencies, and insurance professionals in Europe developing measures to survive the global shutdown?

Dr. Robin: We have several live shows that we do in English and German where we interview several CXOs in the insurance industry. Mr. Christopher Lohmann from Gothaer Insurance said that only 10% of sales are doing well. 

So the question is, what do they do well? 

The answer to that is, they talk to clients, change their value propositions and product portfolios. 

One agent from Allianz said he is doing well because in the initial weeks of the lockdown he reached out to small and mid-sized businesses and helped them cope with the situation — displaying humility on their part. One of them helped his client in restaurant business sign-up for an online delivery service during lockdown. It wasn’t his job, however, if his client does good business, he will remain his client. Some agents and brokers took this opportunity to invest time into their client’s businesses and flourishing them. 

Other areas of distribution such as bank insurance i.e. selling insurance via banks are facing losses as most retail banks are closed and a lot of them have not found ways to effectively communicate with their clients.  

On the claims side, we haven’t seen any disastrous news yet. Also, it is interesting to see from the Life Insurance segment which did not see a surge in claims for term life or whole life insurance. However, we saw general insurance lines such as car insurance going down as not many people are driving. It’s a mixed picture. While in US insurers are paying the claims, in Germany insurers have decided to wait till the end of the year to assess the state of claims. 

The holding company of AXA announced it’s revenue numbers for the 1st quarter which was (-)10%. The negative figure means that new businesses are slaughtered. On the other hand, there’s been a boost for agencies. Our clients ask us how they can help their sales team to sell insurance policies since they cannot meet during this time. There’s been a dramatic change in the way insurance sales works.

The Reinforced Insurance Sales Strategy

How can Insurers equip their agents to generate sales in this pandemic?

Dr. Robin: It depends on the philosophy of an insurance company. Many insurance companies here are very old and go as far back as the 19th century. They have a very authoritarian culture and the agent-insurer relationship is very complex. There are some trust issues due to the unethical practices. 

For example, one of the big insurers promised young people to get on board and provide them with customer portfolios. But on the day of business, they see that only half of the portfolios were provided. If there is such a toxic relationship in an organization, then it gets difficult to deliver good output. 

However, small and mid-sized insurance companies have a very nice working culture where they willingly help their sales people. They have a very effective way of communicating with each other. 

Insurance Sales in The New Normal 

What are some Attention hacking lessons for Insurers operating in ‘The New Normal’?

Dr. Robin: Let’s divide and focus on two groups. 

First is the End Customer. For example, we have a client which is a big insurer with a distribution model to banking i.e bank insurance. We looked at every single touch-point in the process and noticed that they were not present in any. So we started placing them in every touch-point. Therefore, when a user logs into his bank account, the insurer can extract their data with the demographics, individualize and present relevant content/product.

[Related: How Technology is Transforming Insurance Distribution Channels]

Second is Sales. It doesn’t make sense to spend millions of euros and dollars in advertising with celebrities. Instead, they should produce content with people they know in the insurance community such as bank managers, insurance agents, etc. However, what’s more important is how insurers communicate and manage their sales against brokers, retail employees, etc. 

One of the most unestimated channels of communication is the messenger system. For example, WhatsApp, which is very popular in the west. We started experimenting with WhatsApp two years ago and the response was amazing. 

Sales managers use this distribution channel to share content with their agents. It brings 10x or sometimes 50x better engagement than a newsletter coming from headquarters. It is very necessary to focus on the attention of the end customer but also of the sales team. There are many simple ways to engage with sales guys such as interviewing top 2-3 performers with a simple smartphone. The key is to produce massive content and share with customers and sales that they are zoomed into the company. 

[Product: Lead Generation Chatbot]

Prevailing Technological Challenges

What are some of the technological challenges faced by Insurers operating in the New Normal?

Dr. Robin: The insurance industry needs to change culturally. They need to be a part of the daily lives of its customers and agents. They need to win their hearts, minds, and home screens. Insurers need to be on the apps, on platforms, and help them provide value. For that, we need technology. 

[Related: Four New Consumer-centric Business Models in Insurance]

Technology helps in faster claims and application processes which is a given but there are still many companies in the world that do not have these standard processes automated. I believe that the true game-changer will be AI, data science, data analytics in claims or underwriting departments. 

[Report: The State of AI in Insurance 2020]

Insurance is ripe for AI. Still, why are some Insurers still hesitant to invest in AI?

Dr. Robin: Traditional Insurers overlook the capabilities of AI and other technologies. Having people both — from inside and outside of the industry can give a broader perspective on applications of technology to bring innovative products and solutions. 

Product Innovations in Insurance

What product innovations in insurance are going to take place for short-term, mid-term, and long-term?

Dr. Robin:  In the short-term, adaptation of certain payment methods like pausing the payments and lowering risks could be done. 

In the mid-term, you will see more flexible products, more lean underwriting, or more lean claim management. What we need to think is about our role in society. Our mind-set should not be of pushing insurance products down the throats of the customers. What our role is to pool risks and stand by those who have been hit by these risks. We should not just help them during claims but before as well. 

For example, why should we have to replace a car if we could send them a push notification intimating them of the hailstorm and advising to put their car inside the garage? 

Another example is, why to sponsor super expensive healthcare when we can help the people to live healthier lives. Having customers call you portrays that the insurer is the solution. And that is what I believe the long-term goal should be. 

COVID-19: An Impetus to Digital Processes?

Insurers are taking the distribution process online. How are the Insurers adjusting to this new model? Is the ongoing pandemic, going to be the impetus for insurance to move completely digital? 

Dr. Robin:  Having come so far to 2020, I think it is very rude to do time-consuming tasks. What is needed here is to educate the people that their manual tasks can be done by machines. Today, there is so much knowledge available out there. One of my clients asked me how much we should invest in educating employees. To which I said, zero. You don’t have to hire so many consultants to educate them, just send them relevant YouTube videos. 

Way Forward for InsurTech

InsurTech largely facilitates technology in terms of scale, distribution, and market fit. How will New Normal InsurTech create market attractiveness?

Dr. Robin: The first thing that InsurTech or any other company needs to understand that all the plans made earlier have now become irrelevant. It’s time to research and build value propositions for existing clients and prospects. This would include a new pricing and pilot structure as well. 

For example, we can create a small package of services which an insurer can easily download and try out. I don’t think they should aim for $100-$200 million deals but rather give this small package demo to insurers trying to get them hooked on it. This will pave the way for getting more business. I have seen some software companies slashing prices to 70%-80% in some cases. It’s not always the question of pricing, but when InsurTechs say that they’re not able to sell, it ‘s time to re-evaluate their pricing models.   

Road to Recovery for General Insurance

Many General Insurance lines are hit- Travel, Motor, Home – what will be the road to recovery for these Insurance lines?

Dr. Robin: It’s going to be difficult. I was talking to Chris Skinner, an author in the finance space where he said that it’ll take two years to recover. This is a significant paradigm shift in Insurance Sales. Maybe we will never go back to normal. I used to travel a lot for business. Right now, I am very happy to do remote workshops. It is unpredictable how it’s going to pan out.  

The Expert Advice

First, it is time to bypass the moment of shock. Most insurers have done that. They are past the crisis mode and are addressing the issues at hand. 

Second, avoid watching too much news about the coverage on COVID-19. It’ll just bring the morale down.

Third, Stay Zero! and re-evaluate everything- what kind of products we should make, what do clients need, which clients have money to invest, what additional products can we launch, what should be the pricing model, what kind of value proposition we should provide and

Fourth, is to take action rather than Netflix. There will be massive layoffs, so it’s important to ensure you bring value to the company. 

Last but most important, is to focus on the attention of the end customer and provide value to them. Make your customer come to you.


AI is going to be essential for Insurers to gain that competitive edge in the post-pandemic world. Check out Hitee — an Insurance specific chatbot for driving customer engagement. For your specific requirements, please feel free to write to us at hello@mantralabsglobal.com.

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What If the Sun Took a Day Off?

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Ever wondered what life would be like if the Sun took a day off? Picture waking up to an Earth shrouded in darkness, where temperatures drop dramatically within hours, plunging the planet into an icy chill. Plants, deprived of sunlight, would halt photosynthesis, leading to a food production crisis. Our reliance on renewable energy would face a sudden halt, causing widespread blackouts and chaos in cities across the globe.

A day without the Sun would throw our world into chaos! Luckily, that’s never going to happen (at least in our lifetime!). But this thought experiment underscores the Sun’s critical role in our lives and highlights why harnessing solar energy is so vital. While we’re increasingly turning to solar power, we are still missing out on capturing a massive amount of solar energy that falls on Earth every single day.

How Much Solar Energy Are We Missing Out On?

Every day, the Earth receives about 173,000 terawatts of solar energy from the Sun—more than 10,000 times the world’s total daily energy consumption. Despite this abundance, we only capture a tiny fraction of this energy. In 2023, solar energy accounted for just 4.5% of global electricity generation—a huge opportunity waiting to be tapped.

If we could capture just a small percentage of the Sun’s energy, we could power the entire world many times over. The total solar energy that hits the Earth in just one hour could meet the world’s energy needs for a full year. Yet, due to limitations in solar panel deployment, technology efficiency, and energy storage, the vast majority of solar energy goes unused each day.

As we improve solar technology and infrastructure, capturing more of this energy becomes not just a possibility but a necessity for a sustainable future. Let’s dive into how cutting-edge technology is making solar energy more accessible and efficient, helping to turn this untapped potential into real, usable power.

How Tech Makes Solar Adoption Easier

Customer-centric technology is revolutionizing the way we adopt solar energy. Imagine an app that allows you to simply point your smartphone at your house to estimate how many solar panels you need, their ideal placement, and the energy they can generate.

Here are the key benefits of this innovative approach:

  • Precision: By capturing images of your property through satellite, the app calculates the optimal placement of solar panels for maximum energy production. Studies have shown that precise placement can increase efficiency by up to 20%.
  • Customer Engagement: Users receive real-time insights into their energy production, helping them understand their solar power system better, whether they’re using Tesla solar panels, solar power generators, or even solar attic fans to optimize home energy usage
  • Seamless Experience: With user-friendly interfaces, consumers can easily monitor their solar systems remotely and receive updates on their energy output. This accessibility is crucial for encouraging the wider adoption of solar technologies.

The Tech-Driven Shift Toward Sustainability

As solar technology evolves, so do the solar panels themselves. Innovations like Tesla solar roof systems, flexible solar plates, and bifacial panels are redefining what’s possible in renewable energy. Even smaller systems—such as portable solar generators and solar air conditioners—empower homeowners to harness solar power efficiently.

Photovoltaic (PV)  panels, the cornerstone of solar energy, have seen incredible advancements, now boasting efficiencies of up to 22%. This means fewer panels are needed to produce more energy, making solar energy more effective for a wide range of applications, from solar shingles to off-grid systems.

Moreover, the push towards cradle-to-cradle sustainability is reshaping the industry. New solar panels are being designed with recyclability in mind, reducing their environmental footprint. Innovations in recycling technology now recover up to 95% of materials from end-of-life panels, ensuring that even the oldest solar systems contribute to a greener future.

While solar technology continues to advance, solar panels themselves are becoming more efficient and environmentally sustainable. Innovations such as systems, flexible solar plates, and bifacial solar panels are pushing the boundaries of what’s possible in renewable energy. Even smaller systems like portable solar generators and solar air conditioners are empowering homeowners to tap into the power of the Sun efficiently and sustainably.  Photovoltaic (PV) panels, the cornerstone of solar energy – now boast efficiencies of up to 22%​. This means a smaller array of solar panels for home or commercial use can generate more electricity. This makes solar energy systems more appealing and effective for various applications, from solar roof shingles to off-grid solar systems.

Moreover, the move toward cradle-to-cradle sustainability—where solar panels are built from materials that can be easily recycled—has gained traction. This reduces the environmental footprint even further. Innovations in recycling can recover up to 95% of materials from end-of-life panels, According to PV Cycle​, with room for improvement in recycling.

Making Solar Affordable and Accessible

Historically, one of the biggest barriers to solar adoption has been the cost. But things are changing fast. Innovations in financing models, such as Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs) and solar loans, have significantly reduced the financial burden of installing solar systems. According to the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA), the average cost of solar installation has dropped by over 70% in the last decade.

Couple that with federal and state incentives like the Investment Tax Credit (ITC), which provides a 30% tax credit on solar installations, and solar energy is more affordable than ever. Net metering programs, which allow homeowners to sell excess energy back to the grid, further enhance savings, making solar not only accessible but also financially rewarding.

Conclusion

The future of solar energy goes far beyond rooftop panels—it’s about making the entire solar experience intuitive, accessible, and sustainable. With smart apps and tech-driven tools, consumers can now manage their solar energy systems with just a few taps on their phones, making the shift to green energy simpler and more engaging.

At Mantra Labs, we’re at the forefront of this solar revolution. We’ve helped some of the world’s largest solar providers develop cutting-edge, customer-friendly solutions. Our mobile apps allow users to estimate solar panel needs, monitor system performance, and even track their environmental impact—all from the convenience of their smartphone.

Together, with innovative tech and a commitment to sustainability, we’re building a future where solar energy isn’t just an option—it’s the smarter, more accessible, and greener solution for everyone.

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