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InsurTalks Podcast with Dr. Robin Kiera: Nurturing Sales in the Global Shutdown

9 minutes, 45 seconds read

Today, we are facing a crisis unlike ever before. The outbreak of COVID-19 has shaken the very foundation of the world economy. Social distancing and lockdowns have disrupted supply chains and international trade. 

We are seeing an unprecedented surge in lay-offs since the last economic recession in 2008. Amongst other industries that have been affected, Insurance and InsurTech are also finding it difficult to deal with the crisis. To get deeper insights on the new strategy for Insurance Sales, we interviewed Dr. Robin Kiera, founder of  Digitalscouting and renowned Insurtech & Fintech Influencer.

Digitalscouting is a platform with over 70,000 followers for thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and senior managers in finance and insurance to share best practices, lessons learned, and up-to-date views on tech and business trends around the world. 

Dr. Robin is a Co-author of The InsurTECH Book which offers essential updates, critical thinking, and actionable insight globally from startups, incumbents, investors, tech companies, advisors, and other partners in this evolving ecosystem, in one volume. He also advises and mentors many start-ups and corporations in various industries. His other areas of expertise include Brand & Marketing, Public Relations, Business, and Management. 

Connect with Dr. Robin Keira- LinkedIn

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Excerpt from the interview-

Impact of COVID-19 on Insurance in Europe

Europe’s Insurance markets are facing a severe crisis? How are carriers, agencies, and insurance professionals in Europe developing measures to survive the global shutdown?

Dr. Robin: We have several live shows that we do in English and German where we interview several CXOs in the insurance industry. Mr. Christopher Lohmann from Gothaer Insurance said that only 10% of sales are doing well. 

So the question is, what do they do well? 

The answer to that is, they talk to clients, change their value propositions and product portfolios. 

One agent from Allianz said he is doing well because in the initial weeks of the lockdown he reached out to small and mid-sized businesses and helped them cope with the situation — displaying humility on their part. One of them helped his client in restaurant business sign-up for an online delivery service during lockdown. It wasn’t his job, however, if his client does good business, he will remain his client. Some agents and brokers took this opportunity to invest time into their client’s businesses and flourishing them. 

Other areas of distribution such as bank insurance i.e. selling insurance via banks are facing losses as most retail banks are closed and a lot of them have not found ways to effectively communicate with their clients.  

On the claims side, we haven’t seen any disastrous news yet. Also, it is interesting to see from the Life Insurance segment which did not see a surge in claims for term life or whole life insurance. However, we saw general insurance lines such as car insurance going down as not many people are driving. It’s a mixed picture. While in US insurers are paying the claims, in Germany insurers have decided to wait till the end of the year to assess the state of claims. 

The holding company of AXA announced it’s revenue numbers for the 1st quarter which was (-)10%. The negative figure means that new businesses are slaughtered. On the other hand, there’s been a boost for agencies. Our clients ask us how they can help their sales team to sell insurance policies since they cannot meet during this time. There’s been a dramatic change in the way insurance sales works.

The Reinforced Insurance Sales Strategy

How can Insurers equip their agents to generate sales in this pandemic?

Dr. Robin: It depends on the philosophy of an insurance company. Many insurance companies here are very old and go as far back as the 19th century. They have a very authoritarian culture and the agent-insurer relationship is very complex. There are some trust issues due to the unethical practices. 

For example, one of the big insurers promised young people to get on board and provide them with customer portfolios. But on the day of business, they see that only half of the portfolios were provided. If there is such a toxic relationship in an organization, then it gets difficult to deliver good output. 

However, small and mid-sized insurance companies have a very nice working culture where they willingly help their sales people. They have a very effective way of communicating with each other. 

Insurance Sales in The New Normal 

What are some Attention hacking lessons for Insurers operating in ‘The New Normal’?

Dr. Robin: Let’s divide and focus on two groups. 

First is the End Customer. For example, we have a client which is a big insurer with a distribution model to banking i.e bank insurance. We looked at every single touch-point in the process and noticed that they were not present in any. So we started placing them in every touch-point. Therefore, when a user logs into his bank account, the insurer can extract their data with the demographics, individualize and present relevant content/product.

[Related: How Technology is Transforming Insurance Distribution Channels]

Second is Sales. It doesn’t make sense to spend millions of euros and dollars in advertising with celebrities. Instead, they should produce content with people they know in the insurance community such as bank managers, insurance agents, etc. However, what’s more important is how insurers communicate and manage their sales against brokers, retail employees, etc. 

One of the most unestimated channels of communication is the messenger system. For example, WhatsApp, which is very popular in the west. We started experimenting with WhatsApp two years ago and the response was amazing. 

Sales managers use this distribution channel to share content with their agents. It brings 10x or sometimes 50x better engagement than a newsletter coming from headquarters. It is very necessary to focus on the attention of the end customer but also of the sales team. There are many simple ways to engage with sales guys such as interviewing top 2-3 performers with a simple smartphone. The key is to produce massive content and share with customers and sales that they are zoomed into the company. 

[Product: Lead Generation Chatbot]

Prevailing Technological Challenges

What are some of the technological challenges faced by Insurers operating in the New Normal?

Dr. Robin: The insurance industry needs to change culturally. They need to be a part of the daily lives of its customers and agents. They need to win their hearts, minds, and home screens. Insurers need to be on the apps, on platforms, and help them provide value. For that, we need technology. 

[Related: Four New Consumer-centric Business Models in Insurance]

Technology helps in faster claims and application processes which is a given but there are still many companies in the world that do not have these standard processes automated. I believe that the true game-changer will be AI, data science, data analytics in claims or underwriting departments. 

[Report: The State of AI in Insurance 2020]

Insurance is ripe for AI. Still, why are some Insurers still hesitant to invest in AI?

Dr. Robin: Traditional Insurers overlook the capabilities of AI and other technologies. Having people both — from inside and outside of the industry can give a broader perspective on applications of technology to bring innovative products and solutions. 

Product Innovations in Insurance

What product innovations in insurance are going to take place for short-term, mid-term, and long-term?

Dr. Robin:  In the short-term, adaptation of certain payment methods like pausing the payments and lowering risks could be done. 

In the mid-term, you will see more flexible products, more lean underwriting, or more lean claim management. What we need to think is about our role in society. Our mind-set should not be of pushing insurance products down the throats of the customers. What our role is to pool risks and stand by those who have been hit by these risks. We should not just help them during claims but before as well. 

For example, why should we have to replace a car if we could send them a push notification intimating them of the hailstorm and advising to put their car inside the garage? 

Another example is, why to sponsor super expensive healthcare when we can help the people to live healthier lives. Having customers call you portrays that the insurer is the solution. And that is what I believe the long-term goal should be. 

COVID-19: An Impetus to Digital Processes?

Insurers are taking the distribution process online. How are the Insurers adjusting to this new model? Is the ongoing pandemic, going to be the impetus for insurance to move completely digital? 

Dr. Robin:  Having come so far to 2020, I think it is very rude to do time-consuming tasks. What is needed here is to educate the people that their manual tasks can be done by machines. Today, there is so much knowledge available out there. One of my clients asked me how much we should invest in educating employees. To which I said, zero. You don’t have to hire so many consultants to educate them, just send them relevant YouTube videos. 

Way Forward for InsurTech

InsurTech largely facilitates technology in terms of scale, distribution, and market fit. How will New Normal InsurTech create market attractiveness?

Dr. Robin: The first thing that InsurTech or any other company needs to understand that all the plans made earlier have now become irrelevant. It’s time to research and build value propositions for existing clients and prospects. This would include a new pricing and pilot structure as well. 

For example, we can create a small package of services which an insurer can easily download and try out. I don’t think they should aim for $100-$200 million deals but rather give this small package demo to insurers trying to get them hooked on it. This will pave the way for getting more business. I have seen some software companies slashing prices to 70%-80% in some cases. It’s not always the question of pricing, but when InsurTechs say that they’re not able to sell, it ‘s time to re-evaluate their pricing models.   

Road to Recovery for General Insurance

Many General Insurance lines are hit- Travel, Motor, Home – what will be the road to recovery for these Insurance lines?

Dr. Robin: It’s going to be difficult. I was talking to Chris Skinner, an author in the finance space where he said that it’ll take two years to recover. This is a significant paradigm shift in Insurance Sales. Maybe we will never go back to normal. I used to travel a lot for business. Right now, I am very happy to do remote workshops. It is unpredictable how it’s going to pan out.  

The Expert Advice

First, it is time to bypass the moment of shock. Most insurers have done that. They are past the crisis mode and are addressing the issues at hand. 

Second, avoid watching too much news about the coverage on COVID-19. It’ll just bring the morale down.

Third, Stay Zero! and re-evaluate everything- what kind of products we should make, what do clients need, which clients have money to invest, what additional products can we launch, what should be the pricing model, what kind of value proposition we should provide and

Fourth, is to take action rather than Netflix. There will be massive layoffs, so it’s important to ensure you bring value to the company. 

Last but most important, is to focus on the attention of the end customer and provide value to them. Make your customer come to you.


AI is going to be essential for Insurers to gain that competitive edge in the post-pandemic world. Check out Hitee — an Insurance specific chatbot for driving customer engagement. For your specific requirements, please feel free to write to us at hello@mantralabsglobal.com.

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Platform Engineering: Accelerating Development and Deployment

The software development landscape is evolving rapidly, demanding unprecedented levels of speed, quality, and efficiency. To keep pace, organizations are turning to platform engineering. This innovative approach empowers development teams by providing a self-service platform that automates and streamlines infrastructure provisioning, deployment pipelines, and security. By bridging the gap between development and operations, platform engineering fosters standardization, and collaboration, accelerates time-to-market, and ensures the delivery of secure and high-quality software products. Let’s dive into how platform engineering can revolutionize your software delivery lifecycle.

The Rise of Platform Engineering

The rise of DevOps marked a significant shift in software development, bringing together development and operations teams for faster and more reliable deployments. As the complexity of applications and infrastructure grew, DevOps teams often found themselves overwhelmed with managing both code and infrastructure.

Platform engineering offers a solution by creating a dedicated team focused on building and maintaining a self-service platform for application development. By standardizing tools and processes, it reduces cognitive overload, improves efficiency, and accelerates time-to-market.  

Platform engineers are the architects of the developer experience. They curate a set of tools and best practices, such as Kubernetes, Jenkins, Terraform, and cloud platforms, to create a self-service environment. This empowers developers to innovate while ensuring adherence to security and compliance standards.

Role of DevOps and Cloud Engineers

Platform engineering reshapes the traditional development landscape. While platform teams focus on building and managing self-service infrastructure, application teams handle the development of software. To bridge this gap and optimize workflows, DevOps engineers become essential on both sides.

Platform and cloud engineering are distinct but complementary disciplines. Cloud engineers are the architects of cloud infrastructure, managing services, migrations, and cost optimization. On the other hand, platform engineers build upon this foundation, crafting internal developer platforms that abstract away cloud complexity.

Key Features of Platform Engineering:

Let’s dissect the core features that make platform engineering a game-changer for software development:

Abstraction and User-Friendly Platforms: 

An internal developer platform (IDP) is a one-stop shop for developers. This platform provides a user-friendly interface that abstracts away the complexities of the underlying infrastructure. Developers can focus on their core strength – building great applications – instead of wrestling with arcane tools. 

But it gets better. Platform engineering empowers teams through self-service capabilities.This not only reduces dependency on other teams but also accelerates workflows and boosts overall developer productivity.

Collaboration and Standardization

Close collaboration with application teams helps identify bottlenecks and smooth integration and fosters a trust-based environment where communication flows freely.

Standardization takes center stage here. Equipping teams with a consistent set of tools for automation, deployment, and secret management ensures consistency and security. 

Identifying the Current State

Before building a platform, it’s crucial to understand the existing technology landscape used by product teams. This involves performing a thorough audit of the tools currently in use, analyzing how teams leverage them, and identifying gaps where new solutions are needed. This ensures the platform we build addresses real-world needs effectively.

Security

Platform engineering prioritizes security by implementing mechanisms for managing secrets such as encrypted storage solutions. The platform adheres to industry best practices, including regular security audits, continuous vulnerability monitoring, and enforcing strict access controls. This relentless vigilance ensures all tools and processes are secure and compliant.

The Platform Engineer’s Toolkit For Building Better Software Delivery Pipelines

Platform engineering is all about streamlining and automating critical processes to empower your development teams. But how exactly does it achieve this? Let’s explore the essential tools that platform engineers rely on:

Building Automation Powerhouses:

Infrastructure as Code (IaC):

CI/CD Pipelines:

Tools like Jenkins and GitLab CI/CD are essential for automating testing and deployment processes, ensuring applications are built, tested, and delivered with speed and reliability.

Maintaining Observability:

Monitoring and Alerting:

Prometheus and Grafana is a powerful duo that provides comprehensive monitoring capabilities. Prometheus scrapes applications for valuable metrics, while Grafana transforms this data into easy-to-understand visualizations for troubleshooting and performance analysis.

All-in-one Monitoring Solutions:

Tools like New Relic and Datadog offer a broader feature set, including application performance monitoring (APM), log management, and real-time analytics. These platforms help teams to identify and resolve issues before they impact users proactively.

Site Reliability Tools To Ensure High Availability and Scalability:

Container Orchestration:

Kubernetes orchestrates and manages container deployments, guaranteeing high availability and seamless scaling for your applications.

Log Management and Analysis:

The ELK Stack (Elasticsearch, Logstash, Kibana) is the go-to tool for log aggregation and analysis. It provides valuable insights into system behavior and performance, allowing teams to maintain consistent and reliable operations.

Managing Infrastructure

Secret Management:

HashiCorp Vault protects secretes, centralizes, and manages sensitive data like passwords and API keys, ensuring security and compliance within your infrastructure.

Cloud Resource Management:

Tools like AWS CloudFormation and Azure Resource Manager streamline cloud deployments. They automate the creation and management of cloud resources, keeping your infrastructure scalable, secure, and easy to manage. These tools collectively ensure that platform engineering can handle automation scripts, monitor applications, maintain site reliability, and manage infrastructure smoothly.

The Future is AI-Powered:

The platform engineering landscape is constantly evolving, and AI is rapidly transforming how we build and manage software delivery pipelines. The tools like Terraform, Kubecost, Jenkins X, and New Relic AI facilitate AI capabilities like:

  • Enhance security
  • Predict infrastructure requirements
  • Optimize resource security 
  • Predictive maintenance
  • Optimize monitoring process and cost

Conclusion

Platform engineering is becoming the cornerstone of modern software development. Gartner estimates that by 2026, 80% of development companies will have internal platform services and teams to improve development efficiency. This surge underscores the critical role platform engineering plays in accelerating software delivery and gaining a competitive edge.

With a strong foundation in platform engineering, organizations can achieve greater agility, scalability, and efficiency in the ever-changing software landscape. Are you ready to embark on your platform engineering journey?

Building a robust platform requires careful planning, collaboration, and a deep understanding of your team’s needs. At Mantra Labs, we can help you accelerate your software delivery. Connect with us to know more. 

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